Another one on "supposed" freedom of speech..

I have almost screamed several times that freedom of speech is not absolute! i particularly emphasized on that here.

The dutch MP who created an extremely anti muslim film has been denied entry to the UK on grounds of inciting religious hatred. That apart i am impressed by British Foreign Secretary David Milibands example on distinguishing between freedom of speech and the extent to which speech is free..

Foreign Secretary David Miliband told the BBC‘s Hardtalk: “The home secretary made a decision on an individual case as she is required to do.”

He added that the film contained “extreme anti-Muslim hate and we have very clear laws in this country”.

Mr Miliband also said: “We have profound commitment to freedom of speech but there is no freedom to cry ‘fire’ in a crowded theatre and there is no freedom to stir up hate, religious and racial hatred, according to the laws of the land.”

so much for those who think they can bellow CHINTANAYAAA!!! in a loud hoarse voice in public if a VVIP’s garment was comes off!

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  1. Hmm… its a touchy subject. I think the problem is that once you start putting certain topics in protective bubbles, the line starts to blur.So Islam and by extension, all other religions, are to be exempt from critical speech. Acceptable in theory, but does that mean no one can make a documentary about sex abuse within the Catholic Church on the grounds of offending Catholics? Catholicism is a religion of billions and the abusive clergy were but a few but it DID happen.A similar argument can be extended to ‘Fitna’ too, which is about a minority of religious extremists using quotations from the Koran for their own twisted ambitions.Some moral absolutes are already in the hypothetical bubble; slavery, the holocaust, racism to name a few. Should religion be included? How do you decide when a film or book about religion is ‘constructive dialogue’ as opposed to ‘hate speech’?I wish I had the answers…

  2. “So Islam and by extension, all other religions, are to be exempt from critical speech. Acceptable in theory, but does that mean no one can make a documentary about sex abuse within the Catholic Church on the grounds of offending Catholics”no that is not what i meant, if you use the word “abuse” that claims that what was done by the church wasnt catholic anyway is it not? if catholicism doesnt promote abuse then abuse is not a catholic thing, and exposing whats negative and uncatholic in the catholic churhch doesnt have to offend catholics.This applies to any religious institution or clergy, be it a mosque,temple,church or synagogue.with regards to fitna, every single verse/quotation by speakers has been taken out of contextcheck the following quote from the quran chapter 9 verses 1-5.A (declaration) of immunity from Allah and His Messenger to those of the pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances.― (1) Go ye, then for four months, backwards and forwards, (as ye will), throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah (by your falsehood) but that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him. (2) And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage― that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the pagans. If, then ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith. (3) (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those pagans with whom Ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided anyone against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous. (4) But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (OF WAR); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. 5) If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure: That is because they are men without knowledge.now this set of verses has a historical context and gives instructions ONLY FOR THAT PARTICULAR WAR AT THAT TIME AND PLACE. and please note that NO MUSLIM can use the above verses as justification to carry out crimes against non muslims/pagans.if you need a thematic commentary on the above verses its best u do your research.these verses have been quoted and cliched to brand islam as barbaric and anti non muslims, further more..verse 5 states the following” If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure: That is because they are men without knowledge.”if a soldier seeks asylum from a general from the enemies camp in a conflict today, at best the kind general may give him is his freedom, but he will never give instructions that the “soldier be escorted to a place of safety”.BUT, anti muslim propagandists never quote verse 5,thereby disturbing the composition and taking out of context. and some are audacious/naive to the point of quoting verses 1-4 and then following by quoting verse 6 by omitting verse 5.that is exactly what Fitna has done, picking selections and quoting out of context.anyone with a semblance of intelligence would know with the above example that fitna is “hate speech” as opposed to “constructive dialogue”.Miliband has got it right when he said shouting FIRE in a dark crowded cinema is not freedom of speech. If someone shouts fire when there isnt one, people may panic, there can be a stampede and people can die.is that a price we are willing to pay to absolute freedom of speech which allowed some lunatic to shout fire when there wasnt one??but i think all these have been encapsulated by this posthttp://qudaamah.blogspot.com/2008/10/supposed-freedom-of-speech.htmlcheers!

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